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ceaser

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Hi Everybody

I am tired of working!

Has anybody thought of writing a Lotto program that really works? We could all be rich!:sign0060:

How about having a database of all the previous winning numbers and then using some fancy probability formula come up with the most likely numbers that will win?

Please.......I need some rest and that yacht in the harbour, the Aston Martin, the big house against the mountain, the game farm....................

Thanks
Michael
 

specci48

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ceaser said:
Has anybody thought of writing a Lotto program that really works?
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I have one , but it only works right after the draw... :BangHead:

So still no yacht, Aston Martin or a big house :sign0013:
 

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How about having a database of all the previous winning numbers and then using some fancy probability formula come up with the most likely numbers that will win?
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I have thought about doing one of these, but I know nothing about probabilities calculation...
Still, any prize, even the smallest, would have a better chanche to find its way to my pocket...
I'm up for it....
 

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Lotteries are carefully designed to be totally random. Most lotteries have a team of statisticians analysing previous draws to check they are truly random. Any lottery result is truly statistically independent of any previous result

I'm afraid any dream of being able to predict a lottery result by analysing previous results is just that - a dream. Keep the day job and save hard for early retirement is the best option. Don't throw the money away on a lottery that inevitably returns less money than it takes from the punters to provide the gains for the lottery owners. Did you ever see a poor bookmaker?
 
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agraham said:
Lotteries are carefully designed to be totally random
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A small note; nothing is literally random.
Statistical physics such as Probability Theory will teach us that all actions are the outcome of billions of factors.
This does not refer to determinism in any level though.

The concept of a "lotto program" is probably out of reach, but as soon as they invent the time machine...
 

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C'Mon Guys....
We are NOT(?) talking about making a 100% acurrate app, That would make 2 things of us...
- Rich
-In Jail for cheating

I think I speak for the interested party...what we aim for is a way to take our chances from 1/1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 to something with bit less zeros...
 
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I agree with Gableguy. Lets get something going, that reduces those "0" in the probablity outcome.:sign0060:

Now where did that guy put the time machine:BangHead:

Regards
Michael
 

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OK...

First of all, we must keep in mind all of the diferent games, lotos and others that are avaiale all over the world...

To cope with it most of them, I propose a config page were the user can define the tipo of game, by inserting the diferent components that are part of it..
Like in Portugal we have 2 major "Loto" games...
The "Totoloto" wich is a 5 of 69 draw with 2 suplementary numbers...so a 7 number suggestion should be offered...
The "EuroMillions" games wich I'm sure a lot of you know how it works...

So a page for the user to insert the MainNumber span (ex: 1 to 49) and how many numbers are drwn from it, and if there is a secondary draw, speficy the span again(ex 1 to 9) and in this case if it is drawn form the same Draft as the main, in wich case the secondary should never have repeated umber with the main draft, or if it is a different draw...

I also agree to have some sort of stats keeping in the BD form, but that araises one question, Should it start from scratch, of have the ability to retrieve previous drafts from the Net?

These are my two cent's...
 
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ceaser

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Things are starting............

What I suggest is to have a form where the user can upload all past draws. In South Africa we have a normal lotto draw (1 to 48) and then a Lotto Plus (also 1 to 48). From these, 6 numbers get drawn plus a bonus number...i.e 7 numbers. The past winning numbers can be downloaded from the net as a CSV file. I am not sure whether this can be be done in other countires as well. I have never played the Lotto in Germany. I am not even sure whether there is one.

But I agree with you Gableguy, it should be flexible enough to be used in any Country.

Next there should be a form where the user can select how many winning numbers to select. These results should be based on the existing database.

Let me see........I think I should go for the DBS Volante (Aston Martin V12)....metalic red paint color!:sign0060:

As for the yacht........how about the Monto Carlo 47? It's a bit big, but I am sure I can muster enough so called friends together.

Regards
Michael
 

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ok, I like the way you think...
Uploading older results as csv is something workable, and if some game does not have them, it's the user/player choice to create such a file....
I would also suggest that somekind of score should be kept as for example, played numbers vs drawn numbers...

Also, some of the games allow the player to play with multiples, ie, ins 5 of 49, to play with up to 9 numbers, making this a multiple bet...

I would like to help coding but I already have 4 ongoing projects that are cominga along very slowly...
But I sure can teste it...
 
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ceaser

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Hi ExcludeR....

The suggestion that I made was more of a joke than anything else. The is no way that one can predict the outcome of a lotto draw. But what I am suggesting as a programming excerise is to come up with something that, like Gableguy said, take some of those zeros away!

I am fairly busy with my surveying program and also work in the field, but I will make some time to come up with a program, which I will post on the forum.

Thanks
Michael
 
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Hi Gableguy

Forget about all the complicated mathematical formula and probability theory to predict a winning draw.

Listen to my logic, maybe I am talking rubbish, but please listen and comment.

Lets look at nature. There is always a tendency in Nature to balance everything. If it is hot outside the house and cool inside, then when you open the windows, Nature will balance the hot air outside the house with the cool air inside the house.

When you flip a coin a thousand times, then you will get equal heads and equal tails. The same logic must apply with the 49 numbers in a Lotto draw. Nature dictates that over time all the 49 numbers will get equal draws.

Now here is my proposal. If one goes back in the history of all the winning numbers of a specific Lotto game, then one should have a look at the numbers that have come up the least. Say all the numbers in 100 draws come up, except the number "1". Now according to the laws of Nature, the number "1" should have the biggest chance of being drawn the next time.

What do you think?

Thanks
Michael
 

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Lets look at nature. There is always a tendency in Nature to balance everything. If it is hot outside the house and cool inside, then when you open the windows, Nature will balance the hot air outside the house with the cool air inside the house.
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I think you got that the wrong way round
Nature will alter the air inside with the outside :sign0089:

Add time into the equation.

Numbers1-49 * TimesAppeared / TimeSpanBasedOn = WinningNumbers

But what value is TimeSpanBasedOn. I think it's infinate, so a certain number
may only be picked every ? weeks/months/years/decades/century's.

How about creating a prediction program that uses the 'strangest' prediction theory, just for a laugh of course.

Perhaps base it on a division of the last days temperature etc

I'm all for a bit of a laugh and will give this a 'thunk'. (Don't ask !!)
 
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ceaser said:
There is always a tendency in Nature to balance everything.
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You are referring to the "Balance of Nature" theory.
This is an ancient theory that states the following:
For every change in construct or quantity there is a equal feedback of analogy.

This is often regarded as a pseudo-scientific fallacy, and personally I do not see how it relates to winning the lottery

When you flip a coin a thousand times, then you will get equal heads and equal tails.
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Yes, but this only applies if you flip the coin one side at a time.
Then there would be a pattern.
Even if the coin is flipped randomly, there is still a pattern, but much harder to follow.

Every lottery number has a pattern that can unveil it, but the data required is too big for a human to process.

Say all the numbers in 100 draws come up, except the number "1". Now according to the laws of Nature, the number "1" should have the biggest chance of being drawn the next time.
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First of all, do not involve the laws of nature into this.
Every number has a (relatively) equal chance of being drawn, regardless of it's previous frequency.

In one way, the balance of nature is a paradox.
If all numbers would be drawn equally, then there is no room for numbers not being drawn at all.
There is also not room for number in it self, since they are different.

Perhaps there is a way to "take some of those zeros away!", but the odds are still so bad that
you do not want to risk you money on a home-brewed lottery predictor.

Hope I'm not being to serious
 

Cableguy

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A Maths GURU would say that there is NO real Ramdomization in any of the hazard games around the world, What THERE IS is a safe enought way to ensure that the possability of a winner is reduced to a degree, making the draft VIRTUALLY random.

So I agree with Ceaser, given enought time all numbers wil be drawn an fairly equal amount of times...
I also agree that if a given number has been drawn a more significant amount of times thatn another, then why not chose it again?

So I propose that OUR formula shoul contemplate the more often drawn, and the least ones, leaving the ones with an average amount of draws aside...
Of course this may/will alter along time....
I WILL NOT QUIT ON THIS....
 
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Cableguy said:
So I propose that OUR formula shoul contemplate the more often drawn, and the least ones, leaving the ones with an average amount of draws aside...
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So the entire engine will be based on a concept that "nature" tends to balance things out.
Meaning all the numbers would be drawn an equal amount of times.

If that's the case, the formula for finding the numbers would be way to simple.
Millions of people would have had this idea.

In my honest opinion, I don't see how you would approach this problem.
It seems that the futile odds are about as close as you will get.

It's just too, well, random...
 
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We have the 'Lotto' in England. Its choose 6 from 49 for the jackpot and various other combinations down to £10 for three numbers. There is apparantly a 14.7m to one chance of attaining the jackpot.

One prediction of the Lotto I make with absolute certainty - if you don't enter; you will have no chance.

So I place a couple of pound each week and maybe, just maybe, it may come good for me one day. If so, I'd probably pay Erel Enterprise lisence rates for a standard one
 
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