Android Question n.1 rs232 server ==>> n.X rs232 client - via internet communication

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

I have a device, a weighing scale with rs232 output
In several different geographical places (therefore not connectable via cable) there are led numeric displays that must show information such as when it is produced by the scale
I would like to connect the 'producer' scale to the 'user' display using common Android smartphones, with otg cable and usb to rs232 converter, both on the scale side and on the display side
Basically I would like to create a system that simulates a cable and obtains the same effects that would be obtained by physically connecting the tx pin of the rs232 balances with the rx pins of the numerous displays.
What code to use to acquire the information from the source rs232, transmit it using the telephone data network, and emit it on numerous rs232 recipients?

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

Assuming that they will be always in a WiFi enabled place I would use first an app in each receiver phone that updates a no-ip account every time it "senses" a change in the external IP (to be able to call it from outside). I would create a port forwarding from each local router to the receiver phone (which should have a static IP in the local WLAN) and in which you would select the ports of communication and I would handle communication this way. Actually I have created a class which handles two way communication (if you want it or one way if you choose so) for B4X apps over the Internet in different ports defined by you. If you want it for a fair price for what it does send me a private message in Messenger (as seen in the signature of this message). See this thread to see the use of this class: https://www.b4x.com/android/forum/threads/dhqi-video-voicer.123093/

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

No, it is not possible to use no-ip or similar services, because the phones come out on the internet with their telephone module, and their wan ip addresses are of type 10.xxx therefore like a local network, and are not reachable from the external

DonManfred · Oct 17, 2020

amorosik said:
nd their wan ip addresses are of type 10.xxx therefore like a local network, and are not reachable from the external

This is probably your local network. You probably need to do that on the router and add portforwarding to the device

Michael1968 · Oct 17, 2020

Thinkabout mqtt for the comunication between the Devices

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

Michael1968 said:
Thinkabout mqtt for the comunication between the Devices

I 'll second that. Further more you don't have to pay at all for MQTT service. Just use a Ruspberry Pi as a server (again with the same solution - no-ip) with a B4J MQTT broker and connect to it from the outside phones. The RasPi has to be in the weighting scale place.

LucaMs · Oct 17, 2020

hatzisn said:
Just use a Ruspberry Pi as a server (again with the same solution - no-ip) with a B4J MQTT broker and connect to it from the outside phones.

https://www.b4x.com/android/forum/threads/b4x-mqtt-chat-room.61568/post-388488

Erel said:
The MQTT broker is embedded in the Android app (jMqttBroker library).

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

DonManfred said:
This is probably your local network. You probably need to do that on the router and add portforwarding to the device

No, is not an office lan
There is no router on the schema, each smartphone connects to the internet using its own telephone module

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

Michael1968 said:
Thinkabout mqtt for the comunication between the Devices

It would mean having a 'third' system in addition to the sender phone and recipient phones
If it is absolutely essential to do so, I will adopt this possibility
I would first like to see if there is a way to do what is required without using systems other than those illustrated in the example diagram

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

hatzisn said:
I 'll second that. Further more you don't have to pay at all for MQTT service. Just use a Ruspberry Pi as a server (again with the same solution - no-ip) with a B4J MQTT broker and connect to it from the outside phones. The RasPi has to be in the weighting scale place.

No, the problem is not the mqtt server on pc or Raspberry or on smartphone
The problem is that that mqtt server, if connected to the internet using a mobile device, will NOT be traceable from the internet as most of the telephony operators make the ip wan of mobile device connections fall within classes of lan private of type 10.xx .. and these addresses are not accessible from the internet

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

LucaMs said:
https://www.b4x.com/android/forum/threads/b4x-mqtt-chat-room.61568/post-388488

Hey Luca, come va? The jMQTTBroker2 is based on Moqeute 0.12 and is not compatible with B4A. Version one will have to be used but it will have to be runnning in a foreground service which will restart every 30 minutes otherwise it might be killed. Another possibility is to KeepAwake the phone and run it wherever he wants within the app.

MqttBroker

jMqttBroker library is based on the moquette open source project: https://github.com/andsel/moquette It implements a MQTT broker. If you are not familiar with MQTT then start with this tutorial: https://www.b4x.com/android/forum/threads/59471/#content The broker is like a "black box". It is...

www.b4x.com

LucaMs · Oct 17, 2020

hatzisn said:
Hey Luca, come va?

Very bad; the reason? I am still alive ?

I hope you are all well.

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

LucaMs said:
Very bad; the reason? I am still alive ?
I hope you are all well.

I don't know what to say regarding this statement. Maybe you should talk to a friend and share with him your concerns. We Greeks say: "a shared pain is half a pain and a shared joy is a double joy".

MbedAndroid · Oct 17, 2020

In several different geographical places
what distances are you thinking? Less then 1 km? or around the world?

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

MbedAndroid said:
In several different geographical places
what distances are you thinking? Less then 1 km? or around the world?

Italy - Egypt

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

amorosik said:
Italy - Egypt

You are covered worldwide with MQTT and no-ip.

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

Here is how you can update a no-ip account wether you use RasPi or Android MQTT Solution:

Integrate with No-IP DDNS - API Information

www.noip.com

amorosik · Oct 17, 2020

hatzisn said:
You are covered worldwide with MQTT and no-ip.

No-ip or DynDns is not relevant
The real problem is hidden ip wan address of mobile device connected to internet

MbedAndroid · Oct 17, 2020

i would never use a phone as solution, but like other fellow's already stated here rasberry can offer solutions.

hatzisn · Oct 17, 2020

@amorosik the way MQTT works is that outside devices connect to the MQTT server. The connection is kept alive constantly. There is no concern whether it is a mobile data connection or a WiFi connection (for the clients). If your server (weighting scale) is in WiFi then no concerns. The mobile companies for security reasons do not allow incoming connections to the mobile phones (for the common mortal people only ? ? ? ) but outgoing connections are definetelly allowed.

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