Android Question Weird problem with IDEs

JackKirk · Nov 4, 2021

My Windows 10 desktop did an automatic update overnight and I'm now on Version 21H1 (OS Build 19043.1288) according to winver.

All of a sudden when I select anything inside a B4X IDE I get this behaviour:

seems to only affect the B4X IDEs I use (A, i, J) - all selects in other editors (Note, VB6 ...) appear to be fine.

I've tried the obvious such as rebooting but it persists.

Googling didn't help either.

Also causing some weird behavior in Find/Replace.

AnandGupta · Nov 5, 2021

In similar problem I faced, though in all apps, not only B4X ide, I solve it by disable 'display driver'
Try it.

JackKirk · Nov 6, 2021

AnandGupta said:
I solve it by disable 'display driver'

Could you elaborate?

AnandGupta · Nov 6, 2021

JackKirk said:
Could you elaborate?

Open 'Device manager' of win10, shortcut win+X select 'Device manager'
Select 'display adapter'
Right click the driver (intel/amd etc. depending on your machine)
Select disable device

You can enable it back when required.

JackKirk · Nov 6, 2021

AnandGupta said:
Open 'Device manager' of win10, shortcut win+X select 'Device manager'
Select 'display adapter'
Right click the driver (intel/amd etc. depending on your machine)
Select disable device

I have 2 display adapters:

Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630
Nvidia GeForce GT 1030

I disable drivers of both, reboot, check they are still disabled - problem still there.

Any other suggestions - anyone?

AnandGupta · Nov 6, 2021

JackKirk said:
I have 2 display adapters:

Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630
Nvidia GeForce GT 1030

I disable drivers of both, reboot, check they are still disabled - problem still there.

Any other suggestions - anyone?

No.
Mine solves in disabling.
You can enable them back again. No point disabling then.

JackKirk · Nov 9, 2021

This problem is still present.

aeric · Nov 9, 2021

Use system restore to reverse the windows system update.

JackKirk · Nov 10, 2021

aeric said:
Use system restore to reverse the windows system update.

I will try this - not because I think it is much of a solution but just to make absolutely certain the upgrade caused the problem.

Be back in a day or so...

MikeSW17 · Nov 10, 2021

It may be worth trying Disable Graphics Hardware Acceleration if your hardware/driver supports it.
It used to be a standard step in the fault-finding process.
How to seems to vary by manufacture so you'll need to a little research.

JackKirk · Nov 10, 2021

MikeSW17 said:
It may be worth trying Disable Graphics Hardware Acceleration if your hardware/driver supports it.

I had a pretty extensive look in the bowels of both display adapters drivers with no mention found anywhere of "hardware acceleration".

Googling both adapters didn't deliver anything of use either.

JackKirk · Nov 10, 2021

aeric said:
Use system restore to reverse the windows system update.

I went to do this and got the following message:

so where to now...

aeric · Nov 11, 2021

Search “View your Update history” and try “Uninstall updates” for the latest item.
Edit: Find “Driver Updates” and you may need to uninstall that driver from device manager.

JackKirk · Nov 11, 2021

aeric said:
Search “View your Update history” and try “Uninstall updates” for the latest item.
Edit: Find “Driver Updates” and you may need to uninstall that driver from device manager.

Since your previous post I have been exploring these areas myself.

Lots of mucking around and by pure happenstance I downloaded:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb...ion-21h1-ce978a46-1f38-4a76-9a64-970480e8362e

Which wonder of wonders seems to have fixed the problem.

Note this is dated November 9 - just a day or so ago.

This is in line with Erel's earlier suggestion at post #4 - maybe he was just early - or looking into his crystal ball.?

JackKirk · Nov 11, 2021

JackKirk said:
Since your previous post I have been exploring these areas myself.

Lots of mucking around and by pure happenstance I downloaded:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb...ion-21h1-ce978a46-1f38-4a76-9a64-970480e8362e

Which wonder of wonders seems to have fixed the problem.

Note this is dated November 9 - just a day or so ago.

This is in line with Erel's earlier suggestion at post #4 - maybe he was just early - or looking into his crystal ball.?

Whoops - spoke too soon - it is still there - but weird thing was it worked fine for the first couple of minutes.

aeric · Nov 11, 2021

JackKirk said:
Since your previous post I have been exploring these areas myself.

Lots of mucking around and by pure happenstance I downloaded:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb...ion-21h1-ce978a46-1f38-4a76-9a64-970480e8362e

Which wonder of wonders seems to have fixed the problem.

Note this is dated November 9 - just a day or so ago.

This is in line with Erel's earlier suggestion at post #4 - maybe he was just early - or looking into his crystal ball.?

.NET framework is the worst thing ever made. It is worse than VB6 DLL hell. ?

JackKirk · Nov 11, 2021

aeric said:
Search “View your Update history” and try “Uninstall updates” for the latest item.
Edit: Find “Driver Updates” and you may need to uninstall that driver from device manager.

Have you ever actually succeeded in uninstalling an update - everytime I try it seems to uninstall then in the subsequent reboot it installs it again.

ARRGGHHH!!!!

agraham · Nov 11, 2021

There is a little known tool available that can stop updates being installed. It has moved around over the past few years and is very difficult to find but I eventually found it again. Here are the instructions for it. Note that the actual download link is the blue text below.

Download the troubleshooter

from the Microsoft Download Center.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/53184.show-or-hide-updates-utility-fixing-automatic-installation-of-a-problematic-update-in-windows-10-version-1903.aspx

JackKirk · Nov 11, 2021

agraham, thanks for your interest in my problem.

It seems the link you gave is broken, I couldn't get the tool to download.

I was able to download it from another site by googling "wushowhide".

I uninstalled all updates to before I started having the problem - noting their KBs.

I then ran the wushowhide tool but none of the updates I had uninstalled were in the hide list.

This time when I rebooted the uninstalls stuck - I must have been doing it wrong previously.

But I still have the problem - interestingly though with the same short grace period of a minute or so when everything works properly - smells to me like something is loading with a delay and stuffing things up - but what?

JackKirk · Nov 12, 2021

Getting really desperate I looked thru what had recently been installed or updated in the time around when this problem arose.

Some Alienware stuff was updated and some minor Epson utilities were installed - I uninstalled all this and the problem seems to have gone.

Famous last words - I will update in a day or so if the problem stays away.

My bet is on the Epson stuff...

agraham · Nov 12, 2021

JackKirk said:
It seems the link you gave is broken, I couldn't get the tool to download.

The link works fine for me but I have to tell the browser that I want to keep it as it knows it is an executable and by default won't download it.

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