Who's the creator?

Beja

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If you send a handrawn sch diagrams like this to a Protel software engineer..

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and he used the schematics capture like this:

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and then produced the PCB layout like this:

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Who's the creator?
 

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Beja

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Note: drawings for illustration only and coppied from Internet
 

emexes

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It would be an easier question if the three circuit depictions were congruent and timestamped, in which case I'd say the person who drew the first one is the creator, if it contains significant new elements or functions or methods that have not been seen before.
 

peacemaker

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Who's the creator?
A human person, for sure. Not the AI.
Diagram drawing that are in the same time: handsome, understandable, well-readable, logical and ... just working well "in iron" is the art.
 
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LucaMs

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Given the almost perfect lines drawn manually, the author is a person with Parkinson's disease 🤔

(I, on the other hand, have a watered-down brain, because I don't understand the question. Do you mean that starting from a badly done drawing, you found some AI SW that generated the third image?)
 

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because I don't understand the question
Maybe he meant the profession.
If so - i can reply more clear: it's created by the electronic engineer.
Who can (invent the circuit diagram and next) create the PCB, placing the components and making the traces routing according to the circuit diagram and many other requirements for RF emission, signal interferences, current levels, high voltage limits etc.
 
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LucaMs

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Maybe he meant the profession.
If so - i can reply more clear: it's created by the electronic engineer. Like me.
Who can (invent the circuit diagram and next) create the PCB, placing the components and making the traces routing according to the circuit diagram and many other requirements for RF emission, signal interferences, current levels, high voltage limits etc.
I would say that it is not unlikely that today an AI SW can design (create) electronic circuits.
If it can generate source code...! The "small problem", currently, is that it generates it but full of errors.
 

peacemaker

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AI SW can design (create) electronic circuits
Software circuit analysis has been well known for many years, the simulation language and engine SPICE is well known - so, yes, seems, the AI will be able to create the electronics when having more power to "invent" it. I mean the circuit diagrams, but PCB design is much more complex task.
 

Beja

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Thanks to everyone,

It seems the images have confused some people.
Alright, let me clarify it in text:

Mr. A, an electronics engineer, designed an electronic circuit for his project and provided the drawing to Mr. B, a CAD designer (Protel, OrCAD, etc.).
Mr. B worked on the same circuit, produced the CAD-generated schematics and PCB layout, and created the required Gerber file for manufacturing.

The question is: Who is the creator of this project—Mr. A or Mr. B?
 

peacemaker

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Indeed, it was puzzled question :)
But no idea how to answer.
 

peacemaker

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Who is the creator of this project—Mr. A or Mr. B?
Actually, if the sch is unique and really useful - the PCB, construction, case... can be done by any other implementer...
But the final result is unknown in advance.
S. Jobs was not a PCB designer...

But there is also some meaning: an idea without implementation is worth nothing.
 

Peter Simpson

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Mr. A is the creator of the project, and here is why @Beja.

Conceptualisation:
Mr. A, as the electronics engineer, conceived the idea and designed the electronic circuit. This involves understanding the project's goals, selecting components, and determining the circuit's functionality.

Intellectual Property:
The core idea and the underlying circuit design originate from Mr. A's mind. This is typically considered intellectual property.

Mr. B's Role:
Mr. B's contribution is in translating Mr. A's design into a format suitable for manufacturing. This involves technical skills and software expertise, but it doesn't change the fundamental design.

Analogy:
Imagine a writer (Mr. A) who pens a novel. A typesetter (Mr. B) then formats the manuscript for publication, including font choices, page layout, and cover design. The typesetter's work is crucial for the book's final presentation, but the story itself belongs to the writer.

Conclusion:
While Mr. B's work is essential for the project's realisation, Mr. A remains the creator of the project due to his original design and intellectual contribution.


Enjoy...
 

rabbitBUSH

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Who's the creator?
Sometimes its not about who is the creator, but, more who is the owner.

The word creator is the spinner in the question.

@Peter Simpson is using the UK legal interpretation.
@AHilton tends to be more the rule.

In this country we have law based in the Roman-Dutch form (but applicable law flavours are fairly universal). Whatever that means in this context.

If memory serves, from my days as a journalist here, copyright is vested in the person who paid for the work to be done. Which is not to say anything about the question of who is the creator. All of that is subject to contract law, here, one can write a contract which retains the copyright, but, makes the person who paid the owner. But, one of the interesting things in all of this is that (again if memory serves) the person who translates a book is owner of the copyright in the translation. Which would beg the question in your case - did B simply translate the drawing into the "language" of PCB - which patently looks completely different from the concept drawing.

If I go paparazzi and start taking photos of Taylor Swift and selling them - its a big technical whether I need to have her permission to do that. I own the photo but she created the image.

Mostly, one ends up with a plagiarism claim, which is what @emexes is getting at. That's just that A created the drawing (concept/intellectual property) prior to B [provided of course that A dated the drawing]. And, then, naturally, B profits (illegally).

So, its back to the creator-owner conundrum.

A created the concept; B implemented the design. What was the contract between them?

There again, one cannot patent or copyright an idea - where does that put A?

Now if one has worked in the academic world as long as some of us have ....... well lets not go into that darkness.
 

Beja

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Sometimes its not about who is the creator, but, more who is the owner.

The word creator is the spinner in the question.

@Peter Simpson is using the UK legal interpretation.
@AHilton tends to be more the rule.

In this country we have law based in the Roman-Dutch form (but applicable law flavours are fairly universal). Whatever that means in this context.

If memory serves, from my days as a journalist here, copyright is vested in the person who paid for the work to be done. Which is not to say anything about the question of who is the creator. All of that is subject to contract law, here, one can write a contract which retains the copyright, but, makes the person who paid the owner. But, one of the interesting things in all of this is that (again if memory serves) the person who translates a book is owner of the copyright in the translation. Which would beg the question in your case - did B simply translate the drawing into the "language" of PCB - which patently looks completely different from the concept drawing.

If I go paparazzi and start taking photos of Taylor Swift and selling them - its a big technical whether I need to have her permission to do that. I own the photo but she created the image.

Mostly, one ends up with a plagiarism claim, which is what @emexes is getting at. That's just that A created the drawing (concept/intellectual property) prior to B [provided of course that A dated the drawing]. And, then, naturally, B profits (illegally).

So, its back to the creator-owner conundrum.

A created the concept; B implemented the design. What was the contract between them?

There again, one cannot patent or copyright an idea - where does that put A?

Now if one has worked in the academic world as long as some of us have ....... well lets not go into that darkness.

Hi rabitBUSH,

A didn't provide just an idea.. in fact A implemented the cocept in a well defined schematic diagrams.. all what B did is redrawing the same circuits by software in a way that create a gerber file for the PCB machine. B even may not know anything about the purpose or the function of the system.
Another thing.. B is working on paid or unpaid basis, but completley for the benefit of A. But it is good that you raiswed the legal issues. lawyers discuss everything. They carry a briefcase for that :). In 2007 in Philadelphia, two groups of lawyers representing two companies, were discussing who is responsible for the insurance if comet halley hit the earth!!
 

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In 2007 in Philadelphia, two groups of lawyers representing two companies, were discussing who is responsible for the insurance if comet halley hit the earth!!
you should start a new thread for this question......
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happy new '25.
 
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