Forum Members and Covid-19

[LucaMs]

If a God really existed, he would not allow Trump to say this; indeed, it would never allow him to speak again.

I think that neither he nor other well-known and old politicians have ever been infected.



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[emexes]

The situation here is indeed not good.
The small rising on the left is the first wave and now we are in a much worse situation. There are many reasons for that, not just the schools.
I believe that after this lock down there will be many restrictions for a long time.
It goes from March to September.
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Hey, I know that looks bad at first glance, but: that's new cases, not deaths. Trump was right about the more you test, the more you'll find. Plenty of people have coronavirus with little or no symptom; wider testing is finding those that would otherwise not have been counted.

Israel did 1,202,000 tests in September vs 410,000 tests in June, ie three times as many.

 

[hatzisn]

I think those actions will be based on the hospitalized count, rather than the infection count

That is actually true. I have seen a video of a researcher who said that the virus has mutated and this mutation was first spotted in Germany back in January (from then). This mutation has as a result as he said that the virus evolved more spikes in the "envelop" it is in (forgive me this description as I do not know how to describe it better), which allow it to attach more easily to cells and inject its genetic matterial (it is more contageous). The same time he said it evolved more mild and it doesn't always end in hospitalization so my predictions are much infections but less percentage of the infected will end up in hospital and much less in ICU.

 

[emexes]

look at this in a different view. after 3 weeks lockdown i will make 17 new apps ?

When life give you lemons, make lemonade. ?

With an unstoppable approach to life like that, Ilan's going to be running for president one day.

 

[Erel]

Israel did 1,202,000 tests in September vs 410,000 tests in June, ie three times as many.

True, however you can also see the spreading in the death rate:

You can see that it started going out of control in September when schools have opened, together with several holidays where many people gathered.
The government responded with a lock down which seems to work well and the numbers are going down now.

 

[hatzisn]

If a God really existed, he would not allow Trump to say this; indeed, it would never allow him to speak again.

I spent several years wondering why god allows bad things happening. I concluded that god is just a law maker and I am referring to the laws of Physics. He is not a Police Officer, he is not Judge (show the finger to the priests that say the opposite - sorry if I hurt your feelings), he is not Doctor. All he is, is just a law maker. He constructed his set of laws and threw it to you saying "get it and exploit it". Use it to advance, live, judge, protect yourself and others and heal.

I think that neither he nor other well-known and old politicians have ever been infected.

Or they think of us as just numbers. Do you really believe that you worth as much as Trump? On the other hand I suppose you expect that you will get the same cure as he does.

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[LucaMs]

I spent several years wondering why god allows bad things happening and further more why does he allow vicious people to always win. I concluded that god is just a law maker and I am referring to the laws of Physics. He is not a Police Officer, he is not Judge (show the finger to the priests that say the opposite - sorry if I hurt your feelings), he is not Doctor. All he is, is just a law maker. He constructed his set of laws and threw it to you saying "get it and exploit it". Use it to advance, live, judge, protect yourself and others and heal.

I do not want to offend anyone but any God and religion is a human invention and all will end when it will be enough to swallow a pill at the age of 25 to become eternal 25.
[This will happen when science is able to stop the aging of every cell in our body. In a hundred years at the most].
Note "When", not "If".

Or they think of us as just numbers. Do you really believe that you worth as much as Trump? On the other hand I suppose you expect that you will get the same cure as he does.

I think that the 75 year old Trump and 84 year old Berlusconi were not infected by the virus (otherwise they would have died, especially the Italian) but that they took the opportunity to show themselves as super men, capable of beating even a deadly virus .

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I think Erel has become more patient; is "he" expecting his 4th child (male, this time)? ?

 

[emexes]

True, however you can also see the spreading in the death rate:

I didn't say it looked good. ☮ I was more doing a Trump and warding off panic with pragmatism.

 

[LucaMs]

I was more doing a Trump and warding off panic with pragmatism.

Don't panic, ok, but both in Italy and in many other countries there are many "deniers", who think of strange strategies implemented by who knows what world lobby and that covid does not exist.
More or less like those who say the Earth is flat.

Fortunately, from today in Italy it is mandatory to wear a mask even outdoors, under penalty of a minimum fine of 400 €.

 

[emexes]

they took the opportunity to show themselves as super men, capable of beating even a deadly virus.

Perhaps you could be right. ?

 

[hatzisn]

I do not want to offend anyone but any God and religion is a human invention and all will end when it will be enough to swallow a pill at the age of 25 to become eternal 25.
[This will happen when science is able to stop the aging of every cell in our body. In a hundred years at the most].
Note "When", not "If".

If you see a video of Bryan Green explaining string theory to the public (a theory that is trying to unify the macro-world with the micro-world), you will notice that our universe is just a perfect combination of values in several constants that allow it to exist and therefore allow us to exist. Again we end up in laws. Nothing is born out of nothing (although that is not absolutely true) so if there are laws there has to be a law maker. Getting to your second argument, if you could exist for ever would you like to do so? What makes life worthy is that it's limited. Why do you think carpe diem (seize the day) was said? Further more if one could live forever or age lesser than usual our planet would be dead de facto. This would happen because either we would have to stop giving birth to new people or deforestate all the planet to create crops in order for every one to eat.

 

[emexes]

Fortunately, from today in Italy it is mandatory to wear a mask even outdoors, under penalty of a minimum fine of 400 €.

I've always been pro-mask: sure, they're not 100% protection, but they're not 0% either. All they have to do is help bring the contagion rate under 1.0

This is what convinced me most on masks:

Protection by Face Masks against Influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 Virus on Trans-Pacific Passenger Aircraft, 2009

where about half the passengers wore masks and half didn't, and none of the passengers wearing masks caught the infection.

 

[hatzisn]

@LucaMs have a look at this

 

[LucaMs]

If you see a video of Bryan Green explaining string theory to the public (a theory that is trying to unify the macro-world with the micro-world), you will notice that our universe is just a perfect combination of values in several constants that allow it to exist and therefore allow us to exist. Again we end up in laws. Nothing is born out of nothing (although that is not absolutely true) so if there are laws there has to be a law maker. Getting to your second argument, if you could exist for ever would you like to do so? What makes life worthy is that it's limited. Why do you think carpe diem (seize the day) was said? Further more if one could live forever or age lesser than usual our planet would be dead de facto. This would happen because either we would have to stop giving birth to new people or deforestate all the planet to create crops in order for every one to eat.

Personally I would have preferred not to be born at all; however many people love life and would like to live thousands of years or forever having the body of a 25 year old.

It is obvious that if this were the case, "we" all could not live on Earth. This is why "we" try to find places elsewhere, on other planets or space stations. 7 billion (badly "located") people are already too many; maybe that's why Covid came up (or maybe because someone (?) was creating-testing biological weapons, who knows).

 

[LucaMs]

@LucaMs have a look at this

Thanks, it helped me. In fact, I'm still a child ?

 

[LucaMs]

My optimistic prediction of daily increases of new infected in Italy.

I had expected 4,055 new infections but, as mentioned, optimistically. Instead they are 4,458.

infected / swabs = 3.48%

 

[Martin Larsen]

you will notice that our universe is just a perfect combination of values in several constants that allow it to exist and therefore allow us to exist.

The multiverse theory can explain that. Maybe there are zillions of universes, each a bit different to each other. Or every time Big Bang becomes Big Crunch, the universe is restarted and the cards (=laws) are shuffled. 99.999999999% of the universes are in bad standing and life cannot exist. But then one universe turns out just right, and here we are, wondering how strangely fit the universe seems.

Also, we tend to see our own environment as the "right one". We look for exoplanets with oxygen, water and nice temperatures around 20C. But imagine life existed on Venus (maybe it does) . If they were intelligent, they would probably think: "Thankfully, we live in an 467C hot atmosphere of sulfuric acid at a pressure of 93 bar".

Again we end up in laws. Nothing is born out of nothing (although that is not absolutely true) so if there are laws there has to be a law maker.

This argument is not valid. You could just as well say, if there is a god, someone had to create that god.

Bringing god into the equation is actually the same as saying "we don't know". Many people cannot accept "we don't know" so they attribute the unknowns to god. Science is about making the unknown known. But there will always be new questions. Maybe we will one day, many years from now, know how it all started. Maybe not, likely not. I am fine with that.

 

[hatzisn]

The multiverse theory can explain that. Maybe there are zillions of universes, each a bit different to each other. Or every time Big Bang becomes Big Crunch, the universe is restarted and the cards (=laws) are shuffled. 99.999999999% of the universes are in bad standing and life cannot exist. But then one universe turns out just right, and here we are, wondering how strangely fit the universe seems.

Also, we tend to see our own environment as the "right one". We look for exoplanets with oxygen, water and nice temperatures around 20C. But imagine life existed on Venus (maybe it does) . If they were intelligent, they would probably think: "Thankfully, we live in an 467C hot atmosphere of sulfuric acid at a pressure of 93 bar".

I can understand what you say. But tuning parameters to create a universe is just railing on some railroad going back and forth. The parallel trains can stop in any position but they can't move away from the railroad. That is the law. My focusing was not to the fact that life exists in our universe but that our universe is fine tuned to allow the creation of matter, gravity, electromagnetism, nuclear forces etc and as a result life. This is just a special position of the trains and this is a law.

This argument is not valid. You could just as well say, if there is a god, someone had to create that god.

Bringing god into the equation is actually the same as saying "we don't know". Many people cannot accept "we don't know" so they attribute the unknowns to god. Science is about making the unknown known. But there will always be new questions. Maybe we will one day, many years from now, know how it all started. Maybe not, likely not. I am fine with that.

Good point. There may be a fractal structure with Gods just like the Russian grannies dalls, the Babuskas or there might be one or as the ancient Greeks used to mention him "The unstarting start" (anarchi archi - άναρχη αρχή). I believe though that no matter how much we will learn we will always be prisoners of this "legal" system. We may conclude new laws or fine tune old ones but laws will be always confining us. On the other hand in the apps that I make or the gizmos that I create, I am the God within their universe and I set the rules and logic flows so a fractal "Goding" system might not be far away from the truth.

 

[LucaMs]

On the other hand in the apps that I make or the gizmos that I create, I am the God within their universe and I set the rules and logic flows so a fractal "Goding" system might not be far away from the truth.

If someone hadn't created the bit, you couldn't create your own apps; probably not even if Erel hadn't created B4X

 

[rabbitBUSH]

The situation here is indeed not good.

Wouldn't it be great if this graph could be read right to left as one would normally read hebrew text?