found the problem....
i backed out the code i was working on but then in a completely different section of my efforts i saw the same sort of ghost progressbar.... i had thought it a progressbar because the shape and position of the ghost like object on the screen..... as it turns out it was a spinner problem.... as i say, i got clued in when the exact same ghost showed up in a completely different project...
other than the "ghost" being a good indicator of a spinner problem i don't see how my question or the followups could be of any use to anyone.... there is TOO much clutter in the forum.... people giving partial info, figuring it out and then not really sharing the solution.....
is there a segregated area for JUST code samples? sure would be nice to have one and i would certainly contribute to it.... all vb code is accompanied by such examples closely linked to the the vb terms being questioned....
a spinner example really needs the subglobal and functioning sub at the very least..... as i say, given the opportunity i would be happy to pare my software down to such a degree that it would demonstrate in a very straightforward manner one technique/concept at a time
the spinner example that i fought my way through had calls and what not that were absolutely unrelated to the spinner functionality but i got to the code originally by looking for "spinner examples"
love to help if you'll tell me where to put such examples and again, not problems but complete and to the point examples that are straight forward and work
Michael